Leaving aside the whole controversy side of it, without researching this I'd guess Brown Sugar may well be the most played live Stones song in the catalogue (with the possible exception of Jumping Jack Flash). It's been part of every tour since being released. Even Satisfaction went unplayed throughout the 70's.
Freeing up a setlist spot for something fresher isn't a bad idea. Plus, no live version I've ever heard has equalled the studio cut which has a sound and feel unmatched musically.
"Tumbling Dice" at #4 really surprises me. Not that it's not a great song, but I'm not sure I would have seen it quite cracking the Top 10. As usual, I'm wrong.
@Scott Peterson To be honest, I'm more embarrassed that I completely overlooked Honky Tonk Women when throwing out my 'most played Stones song' thought bubble. I'm wiping the old brow after getting JJF and BS right as the two most played.
Tumbling Dice... makes sense to me TBH, not sure how it charted way back when but its been a classic rock radio staple. And it's largely been a tour staple since released, although as a 'tier two' Stones warehouse I guess it misses when they play club or arena shows with more rarities.
Mind you, it's probably another signifier of how much commerce does play into the Stones artistic decisions. Tumbling Dice as a radio single is probably on par in terms of audience recognition with Under My Thumb, Paint It Black and Lets Spend The Night (as examples). But the Stones have more artistic and financial control over TD than those others. Aside from the late 60's heavy hitters (the Beggers Banquet period singles and songs onward), the Stones rarely featured any 60's material through the 70's until 1981/82.
I’ll add…it’s not easy getting everything down ‘on paper’ just right. I brought up just a couple recent news items to try and point out the hypocrisy I refer too.
I’m pretty sure there’s tons more out there. There’s old movies, books, songs tv shows etc etc constantly being scrutinized to make sure they don’t upset people. Disclaimers are being added to old movies basically letting viewers know they may be offended. Is that really necessary….are people so weak minded they need stuff explained to them?
Or maybe I’m just an angry old fart and you people should just get off my damn lawn…😄
I’ll try to explain myself a bit.
Individually the growing incidents of occurrences like the Stones dropping a song are fairly insignificant and not particularly bothersome. Honestly I had no idea Brown Sugar has become a controversial song until they stopped playing it and it made the news.
But as various ‘cancel culture’ type stuff continues to accumulate I find myself quite baffled and often annoyed. Not much of it makes much sense and I firmly believe that attempts to erase history is a truly bad thing.
I just now came across a news item that referred to a ‘Woke Activist’ attempt to ‘cancel’ Clint Eastwood over a quip he made at the 1973 Academy Awards…1973…how insane is that?
Then there’s the hypocrisy involved. That really gets my blood boiling. I’ll go back to the world of music and sports to demonstrate a couple recent examples.
A recent story broke that ended with an NFL coach resigning over an ‘email scandal’. In brief, he said some really stupid shit in emails 10 years ago and it caught up with him. He really had no choice but to quit before he was fired. In light of what he wrote…understandable and I have no particular problem with the outcome. I have loads of issues with what I’d think of as private email correspondence finding it’s way to a Wall Street Journal story…but that’s a whole different thing.
Anyway, after quitting one of coaches prior teams immediately dropped him from the teams Hall of Fame. The hypocrisy….another guy still in said Hall has a history of Domestic violence and an arrest for solicitation in his fairly recent past. So….stupid emails is worse than stepping on your girlfriends face?
Then we can revisit the Stones, music and the NFL. The Stones drop a song because of a few lyrics that apparently insult some folks. Then you have the NFL deciding on who will play their biggest stage….The Super Bowl Halftime show. The lineup for 2022 includes Dr Dre, Snoop Dog and Eminem. You think they’ll do ‘Bitch Please’? I just don’t get how on one hand emails kill a guys livelihood and on the other we celebrate singers with the horrendous lyrics to so many songs by putting them on a grand stage. Most discussions I’ve seen usually end with the ‘it’s art’ comment. Personally I’ll be watching the Doggie Bowl when that halftime rolls around.
Again…individually each of these are pretty inconsequential. But those ‘Woke Activists’ are out there looking to keep the momentum going on canceling history….I find that kinda disturbing.
Oh don't worry about me Scott P and spoilers, they don't bother me for some reason and what you've already said about the show, makes me even more excited to dive into seven seasons. I found there's been a lull in shows through the pandemic, obviously, so started it really as a means of not finding anything else so to speak. To now know that I may be in for a hell of a ride is very exciting to me, so spoil away!
Just to add, yesterday talking to a co-worker who is probably in her mid-60, well she said that talking to therapists who have been around for 35-40 years, they say not only did people smoke in the office like chimmneys back then, they did drink, was just more undercover.
Well, in my recollection, in the early episodes, there's a bunch of little things that will absolutely cause you to sit up/back in your seat in shock...which will then immediately be followed by a "oh, shit, yeah, that really was just how it was for us." The kids playing with the dry cleaning bags, or climbing all over the car, or what they all did when they were done picnicking. And those are just the small details that give the series such verisimilitude, never mind the big stuff like race and gender issues.
Please keep us (me) updated on how you like the show.
Well stated. To be clear, my calling out ‘woke’ people in my sarcastic way or complaining about the folks that seem to go out of there way to get offended wasn’t directed at anyone in particular. But those people exist and it appears in growing numbers.
The song you brought up is amazing and most definitely would send some people into a frenzied effort to have it banished forever. I mean really…some radio stations banned Baby It’s Cold Outside for lyrics no where near as ‘bad’ as ‘Ain’t Nobody’s Business’.
Leaving aside the whole controversy side of it, without researching this I'd guess Brown Sugar may well be the most played live Stones song in the catalogue (with the possible exception of Jumping Jack Flash). It's been part of every tour since being released. Even Satisfaction went unplayed throughout the 70's.
Freeing up a setlist spot for something fresher isn't a bad idea. Plus, no live version I've ever heard has equalled the studio cut which has a sound and feel unmatched musically.
I’ll add…it’s not easy getting everything down ‘on paper’ just right. I brought up just a couple recent news items to try and point out the hypocrisy I refer too. I’m pretty sure there’s tons more out there. There’s old movies, books, songs tv shows etc etc constantly being scrutinized to make sure they don’t upset people. Disclaimers are being added to old movies basically letting viewers know they may be offended. Is that really necessary….are people so weak minded they need stuff explained to them? Or maybe I’m just an angry old fart and you people should just get off my damn lawn…😄
I’ll try to explain myself a bit. Individually the growing incidents of occurrences like the Stones dropping a song are fairly insignificant and not particularly bothersome. Honestly I had no idea Brown Sugar has become a controversial song until they stopped playing it and it made the news. But as various ‘cancel culture’ type stuff continues to accumulate I find myself quite baffled and often annoyed. Not much of it makes much sense and I firmly believe that attempts to erase history is a truly bad thing. I just now came across a news item that referred to a ‘Woke Activist’ attempt to ‘cancel’ Clint Eastwood over a quip he made at the 1973 Academy Awards…1973…how insane is that? Then there’s the hypocrisy involved. That really gets my blood boiling. I’ll go back to the world of music and sports to demonstrate a couple recent examples. A recent story broke that ended with an NFL coach resigning over an ‘email scandal’. In brief, he said some really stupid shit in emails 10 years ago and it caught up with him. He really had no choice but to quit before he was fired. In light of what he wrote…understandable and I have no particular problem with the outcome. I have loads of issues with what I’d think of as private email correspondence finding it’s way to a Wall Street Journal story…but that’s a whole different thing. Anyway, after quitting one of coaches prior teams immediately dropped him from the teams Hall of Fame. The hypocrisy….another guy still in said Hall has a history of Domestic violence and an arrest for solicitation in his fairly recent past. So….stupid emails is worse than stepping on your girlfriends face? Then we can revisit the Stones, music and the NFL. The Stones drop a song because of a few lyrics that apparently insult some folks. Then you have the NFL deciding on who will play their biggest stage….The Super Bowl Halftime show. The lineup for 2022 includes Dr Dre, Snoop Dog and Eminem. You think they’ll do ‘Bitch Please’? I just don’t get how on one hand emails kill a guys livelihood and on the other we celebrate singers with the horrendous lyrics to so many songs by putting them on a grand stage. Most discussions I’ve seen usually end with the ‘it’s art’ comment. Personally I’ll be watching the Doggie Bowl when that halftime rolls around. Again…individually each of these are pretty inconsequential. But those ‘Woke Activists’ are out there looking to keep the momentum going on canceling history….I find that kinda disturbing.
Oh don't worry about me Scott P and spoilers, they don't bother me for some reason and what you've already said about the show, makes me even more excited to dive into seven seasons. I found there's been a lull in shows through the pandemic, obviously, so started it really as a means of not finding anything else so to speak. To now know that I may be in for a hell of a ride is very exciting to me, so spoil away!
Just to add, yesterday talking to a co-worker who is probably in her mid-60, well she said that talking to therapists who have been around for 35-40 years, they say not only did people smoke in the office like chimmneys back then, they did drink, was just more undercover.
Well stated. To be clear, my calling out ‘woke’ people in my sarcastic way or complaining about the folks that seem to go out of there way to get offended wasn’t directed at anyone in particular. But those people exist and it appears in growing numbers. The song you brought up is amazing and most definitely would send some people into a frenzied effort to have it banished forever. I mean really…some radio stations banned Baby It’s Cold Outside for lyrics no where near as ‘bad’ as ‘Ain’t Nobody’s Business’.