In an exclusive excerpt from his new memoir, Springsteen’s best friend recounts for the first time why he quit the band, and his big return - https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/stevie-van-zandt-book-e-street-band-1213174/
Money and me, what can I say? We never got along too good. The pattern of my life is investing everything I have in what I believe in. Emotionally. All my time. All my talent. All my energy. And, yeah, usually all my money. Because I hate asking other people for money, and, until recently, never had anybody to do the asking for me. And we’ll see how long they last.
In 1982, I proceeded to spend what little money I had left after taking an eleven-piece band around the world for a year.
Now, the Rock life isn’t for everybody. You’re basically packing your bags and unpacking them thirty years later. It’s a lifestyle that requires dedication, perseverance, patience, ambition, and, most of all, having no desire or ability to do anything else.
People are always saying, “Oh, how proud you must be! How righteous to have withstood the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune!”
But no. I’m sorry.
I resist all accusations of nobility.
We were bums. Profoundly unsuited for any legitimate type of work. We did have honor for our outlaw profession. And a work ethic. I’ll give us that.
Part of the rationalization and satisfaction of being a boss working for another boss was the ability to offer suggestions and advice.
I liked being the underboss in the E Street Band. The consigliere. It kept me out of the spotlight but allowed me to make a significant enough contribution to justify my own existence in my own mind. And there was a balance between me, Bruce, and Jon Landau. We had artistic theory and artistic practice covered.
But somewhere in ’82, it started to feel like Bruce had stopped listening. He had always been the most single-minded individual, with a natural extreme monogamy of focus in all things — in relationships, in songwriting, in guitar playing, in friends. Was that impulse now going to apply to his advisers?
At the time, I was hurt by the thought that maybe Jon resented my complete direct access to Bruce. I liked Jon a lot and thought he felt the same about me. If anything, I should have been the resentful one, but I wasn’t. In the end, I don’t think Jon had anything to do with the way things changed. There comes a time when people want to evolve without any baggage. To become something new and different without having to stay connected to the past. This was, I think, one of those moments.
Occasionally you need to be untethered.
Without all this retrospective wisdom, though, Bruce and I had our first fight, one of only three we would have in our lives.
I felt I had been giving him nothing but good advice and had dedicated my whole life and career to him without asking for a thing.
I felt I’d earned an official position in the decision-making process.
He disagreed. So I quit.
Fifteen years.
We finally made it.
And I quit.
The night before payday.
It was fucking with Destiny big-time.
Or was it fulfilling it?
Briefly, let’s leave emotion out of it and examine the balance sheet of this rather . . . incredible move.
On the positive side, I would write the music that would make up the bulk of my life’s work. Had I stayed, in between tours I probably would have produced other Artists. Or continued writing for others. Or both. But I probably would never have written for myself.
I very possibly wouldn’t have gotten into politics. Would Mandela have gotten out of jail? Would the South African government have fallen? Probably. But we took years off both of those things.
I got to be in The Sopranos and Lilyhammer. They probably never would have happened.
I would create two radio formats, a syndicated radio show, two channels of original content for Sirius (which has introduced over a thousand new bands that have nowhere else to go), a record company, and a music-history curriculum. Would any of that exist?
It would change Bruce’s personal life for the better; that’s indisputable.
He would have been on the road for two years. Would he have had the time to hook up with Patti if she hadn’t been on the road with him? Would their three wonderful kids exist if I hadn’t left?
Patti Scialfa would find the love of her life, a mixed bag for her well-deserved career — a more visible shortcut but forever in his shadow (welcome to the club) — and most importantly, again, would those same three amazing kids exist if she hadn’t joined the band to sing my vocal parts?
Nils Lofgren, hired to do my guitar parts, got a very rewarding second career, or third career if you count Crazy Horse, which he well deserved.
So some good things happened.
The negatives?
I lost my juice.
As Chadwick Boseman, playing James Brown, says in the excellent biopic Get on Upafter he fires his band, “Five minutes ago you were the baddest band in the land; now you’re nobody.”
Let that be a lesson, kids. And believe me, I am nothing if not the cautionary tale.
Never, ever leave your power base.
Not until you have secured a new one.
I not only lost most of my friends and the respect of several different industries, I blew any chance of living a life without ever again having to worry about money.
Who knows what could have been created if I’d had the backing of the masters of the universe, who are nothing but thrilled to invest in the ideas of happy, successful Rock stars?
I might even have been financially secure enough to have kids of my own.
Next life.
Upon leaving the band, I became persona totally non grata. We didn’t publicize any bad blood. Not one negative word from either of us. We just said that I had left to pursue my own career, but I was seen as a traitor by virtually everybody. People felt they had to choose sides. Guess whose side they chose?
I didn’t think I had much in common with Trotsky, but we were both temporarily written out of history.
Almost finished ...... Just Okay ...... My biggest takeaway may be i want to track down the book by Tommy James after this
Should finish it tonight, but it’s taken a shedload of will-power to get there. Agree with @riverdude4 tho’, after a couple of drinks any conversation would likely be a real hoot.
Steve's selling dope.😅
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I've finished it. I would give it a 6/10. Parts of it were excellent but I did get a bit tired of his endless wonderful ideas which mostly came to nothing.
i was left feeling he has a Bruce sized chip on his shoulder, but I might be seeing that through my own Bruce tinted glasses!
He certainly has an enormous knowledge and respect for all genres of music and the one real success he seems to have had has been in establishing an educational foundation to teach children about music. All he wants is for every kid to be able to name the 4 Beatles, dance to 'Satisfaction', sing along to 'Long Tall Sally' and recite every word of 'Subterranean Homesick Blues' - not a bad ambition! As an aside, this made me think of Marsha who played music to her class all day, every day.
I was expecting a more innovative and exciting use for cologne.
That pic at the grave is magnifique!
I haven't started reading Steve's tome I daresay I'll equip myself with a copy.
Reading reviews formal and informal, it sounds a tad Partridge-esque, in a "Needless to say, I had the last laugh...." kind of way.
I think I'm going to read the book now, didn't plan to, but if Stevie is openly talking about sex... 😇
Missed this aspect in Bruce's biography, he was avoiding it like the plague...
I enjoyed the interview and am about half way through the book. He is certainly a very interesting character- full of his own importance whilst being self deprecating at the same time. His deep affection for Bruce comes shining through, even during the time they were estranged and his musical knowledge is incredible.
He has just discovered South Africa so I am guessing I will be reading a lot about how he got Mandela out of prison!
Anyone else reading it?
Just finished watching and it was pretty damn fantastic. And while I know he doesn't have anywhere near the same relationship with any of the others, even Garry, I really wish he'd do something similar, and just sit down and talk with each of them for an hour or hour and a half, like this. It'd be so good for the historical record, in addition to simply being interesting and delightful.
Probably Jon'd be the best, actually. Or maybe Patti, although I sometimes get the feeling she'd be the least interested in opening up that way.
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that was some time well spent!
No, not the dreaded "you know" over and over again. Really can't take it anymore, I was just watching some Lynrd Skynrd docu and every single musician I swear they interviews said you know fucking over and over again. NO I DON"T KNOW! That's why we're talking coz I don't fucking know and you telling me that over and over ain't gonna change it.
I have just bought tickets for the live streaming of the interview with Steve by Bruce. Although it's 1am over here, it's recorded and will be available for 7 days. £22 from Waterstones including a copy of the book.
I just listened to the latest None But The Brave podcast episode with the first part of their Little Steven interview.
Some interesting stuff that certainly has me looking forward to the book, but I don't know if Stevie is always like this in interviews / conversation... but him saying 'you know' over and over again during the interview had me distracted and eventually annoyed. I'm not like some who immediately bristle at a person throwing 'you know' into a conversation... but Stevie really was full on with it.
Steve is apparently in London on 8 October at Conway Hall - no idea where that is - sadly not being interviewed by Bruce!
Last paragraph. Other record shops are available, of course….
Little Steven Radio 6 Special Sunday 29th August Greetings from Badlands! Our great friend and Radio 6 DJ Liz Kershaw hosts an hour long Little Steven special this Sunday on her Radio 6 show at 1pm UK time. You can listen to the show from around the Globe on the BBC Sounds App or via the Radio 6 website Amongst other Stevie chats about: Making the Letter To You album with Bruce. How the British invasion turned kids like him in New Jersey onto music and made him realise that being musician was what he wanted to do in life His love of the Beatles and The Rolling Stones - and what was the different appeal of each of those bands and how they introduced him to American black artists who never got played on the radio in NJ His acting - Sopranos Lilyhammer working with Martin Scorsese etc Campaigning - Artists against Apartheid etc His radio show and how he uses it as a platform to educate the young about music Why the 1970s was THE era for music - the Renaissance as he calls it And will Bruce and The E Street Band be coming to the UK next year?
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That was absolutely fascinating, but I wonder if he's going to go into more depth in the book, because he talks about that first fight, we can understand what went down, but he's still kinda glossing over it, whereas he goes right at the second fight and lays it all out. And now I'm dying to know about the third fight....
Or maybe I'm just too nosey.
I have the book on preorder so this excerpt whets my appetite. Steve never gives much away normally, not more than we know already, so I hope we get honesty from him on all things.
I always wondered if some of the Lying In A Bed Of Fire lyrics were directed at Bruce, but apparently it was written for Hearts Of Stone.
You know, I still haven't read Born To Run, but I'm very interested in reading Steve's book